of "the other wes moore." i guess the question comes down to numbers. 66,000 troops in country right now. what should it be five years from now? >> i think we're going to initially withdraw to 6,000 troops in 2014. i think a lot of work will be done by contractors, not u.s. troops, but we can't afford to continue spending the kind of money we're spending. you know, we have spent $557 billion up to today, half a trillion dollars, and what have we gotten for it? burma, somalia, and afghanistan are the three most corrupt nations in the world, and now almost 90% of that corruption is coming from american taxpayers' money. you'd be shocked at the amount of american taxpayers' money that's being spent over in dubai because it came in to afghanistan. this is a nation that's -- a government that's corrupt to its core -- >> let's talk about what we can get done in the year and a half we're leaving. wes, the question i always ask, it's why i'm generally against intervention, because you have to eventually leave, and the